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2017/2018 RULES

Rules, guidelines, rosters, schedules and results.

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Post Fri Sep 22, 2017 9:02 am

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1.0 Teams
(Clarification) Teams are comprised of a mix of Men and Women players and are divided by Pools based on placing from play and playoffs through the years. A Pool is the top pool with pools extending through D Pool. The Play-In-Pool (PIP) is the bottom level of this structure and is divided into two regions. All new teams entering the league come in through the PIP. Teams ascend to other pools by qualifying for playoffs, then winning one of two spots. In the case of the PIP, only one team from each region ascends. The lowest two teams in each pool after the regular season are relegated to the next lowest pool, except for PIP which has no lower pool.

1.1Rosters:
• A/B/C/D/PIP Pool Rosters (Increase 2017)
- 20 Men
- 3 Women
- Players can only be on one roster, regardless of what pool they are in.
- A player may only play for one team per season.
- Maximum of (3) roster moves per season.
- A roster move is considered dropping a player and adding another player
- Filling out an unfilled roster is not considered a roster move.
- Calling-Up women does not count as a roster move
- Rosters don't lock until October 1st (or first match, whichever comes first) so any moves made prior to this date do not count as a roster move.
- (New Rule 2017) Teams may now add additional women players to their team that are not on the roster. These affiliate Women players may be called up to play in any match, EXCEPT for Finals.
- Additionally, these non-roster Women players may be asked to play for other teams as long as they are playing for a team that is at least 1 (one) pool higher than the team they are affiliated with
- No Group W Bench this year, however, a list of non-roster Women players with contact info, will be kept to facilitate this process

1.2 Deadlines

- Teams must confirm they are playing the upcoming season by August 1st
- Returning teams renew TBD
- New teams join by August 1st (minimum 16 rostered + 1 Woman)
- Team dues are due by October 1st or first match, whichever comes first.
- Rosters posted by October 1st or first match
- Teams that have paid and submitted their roster, may play their first match prior to October 1st. This helps to get Neutral matches out of the way early

1.3 Fees
• A Pool Buy-in is: $400 + $7 fee
• B Pool Buy-in is: $200 + $7 fee
• C Pool Buy-in is: $200 + $7 fee
• D Pool Buy-in is: $200 + $7 fee
• Play-In Pool Buy-in is: $100 + $7 fee

1.4 Fighting
(New2017) New England Team Challenge has a zero tolerance policy towards fighting. When it comes to fighting, the commissioners have the right to penalize any team or player as it seems fit including and up to expulsion from the league.

2.0 Scheduling

- Captains should work among themselves to determine the best date for the challenge.
- Challenges must be on the weekend.
- If a date can't be agreed upon, it will be settled by the Commissioner of that pool.
- If it involves the Commissioners team it will defer to the next lowest pools Commissioner.
- Matches must try to be played in its scheduled month.
- If for whatever reason this can't/doesn't happen it must be rescheduled within three weeks into the following month, except that no matches may carry into April without commissioner approval.
If necessary as a last resort a commissioner may be called upon to mediate scheduling if one can't be agreed on by the 1st of the month.
- There's a Contact List located in the Captains thread with contact information for each team.
- Commissioners will use their best effort to create schedules that are acceptable for all of the captains in their respective pool.
- Captains will try to ensure that teams that stay in pools from year to year are not scheduled to repeatedly play at home or away with other teams that stay in pool. This is not an infallible system and may be subject to change or review if needed.
- Commissioners will post preliminary schedules for all captains in their pool to see, and may ask for input if the schedule is not accepted by all captains
- Schedules will be posted no later than September 1st

2.1 A/ B/C/D Pool (*May have changes for your pool*)
- A Pool – Does not have a set schedule. All dates must be arranged by the team captains
- B Pool – Has elected to have a set-schedule
B Pool Dates:
October 14th, 2017
November 11th, 2017
December 9th, 2017
January 13th, 2018
February 10th, 2018
March 10th, 2018

- C Pool – Has elected to have fall back dates. Team captains should decide on a mutually agreeable
date, however, if they should fail to reach an agreement, then the fall back dates are used
C Pool Dates: C-Pool has agreed to use the 2nd weekend of each month

- D Pool – Has elected to have fall back dates. Team captains should decide on a mutually agreeable
date, however, if they should fail to reach an agreement, then the fall back dates are used
D Pool Dates:
Saturday, October 7
Sunday, November 5
Saturday, December 2
Sunday, January 7
Saturday, February 3
Sunday, March 4

- Play-In Pool - Has elected to have fall back dates. Team captains should decide on a mutually agreeable date, however, if they should fail to reach an agreement, then the fall back dates are used.
Fall back dates are the first Saturday of each month

3.0 The Match
3.1 Requirements (*Changed*2017)
- The Home Team must provide food and beverage for themselves and the visiting team
- A/B Pool
14 player minimum
2 Women required
- C Pool
14 player minimum
1 Woman required
- D Pool
16 player minimum
2 Woman required
- PIP
14 player minimum
1 Woman required

3.2 All Pools
- Women must play against each other in the singles round.
- Captains decision on how to play women in the doubles round.
- If Captains can't agree, it will default to how the matches are thrown out during the matchups.
IE: Team 1 throws out a W/M team, Team 2 must match format.

3.3 Matchups
- (New 2017) Teams must declare the number of players they intend to play prior to matchups and who is NOT in attendance
- Every effort should be made to play the max amount of people possible – no man, or woman, should be sitting for strategic purposes
- First round - Home team decide if they want to put up first or second
- Second round - Away team decides if they want to put up first or second
- (New 2017) If captains can’t decide on how to match the Women’s cards prior to the matchup process, then teams may not match up their women doubles cards on the first matchup. After this, they may match up at any subsequent time. (Note: This does not include mixed doubles teams)
- Snake order for matchups
Ex. Team A puts up their player, Team B Matches. Now it's Team B's turn to put up a player and Team A matches. Repeat until all matchups are set
- (New 2017) Late comer rule – You may match up a player who has not yet arrived, however, if the match begins play, the late player forfeits each hole they are not present


3.4 Penalties
- If you don't bring the minimum number of players to a challenge, you will be penalized the difference between the minimum and what you brought each round.
EX: Minimum is 14, you bring 10. You're giving your opponents 4 points each round.
- If an odd number, you can play 2 vs 1.
- A POOL SPECIFIC PENALTY FOR WOMEN (New 2017): If team A plays 2 women, and team B plays 1 woman, team B is penalized 2 points.
If team A plays two women, and team B plays zero women, team B is penalized 4 points.
If each team plays the same amount of women, no penalty is given.
This applies to both singles and doubles rounds.
If you bring 2 women and play them both rounds, you will not be penalized.
- B,C,D, PIP - If you don't bring and/or play a woman and the other team PLAYS their woman they will get a bonus point EACH ROUND the other team PLAYS their woman.
- Max of (2) points per round
- Winner of that guy/girl match still gets a point.
- If you have fewer players available than played in the first round, you will be giving the other team the difference of what was played 1st round and that of the 2nd round.
- 1 player cannot be responsible for 2 penalties in same round (i.e. One player under minimum and missing a mando female should only be 1 penalty point in singles round.

3.5 Format
- First round is singles match play.
- Second round is doubles stroke play.

3.6 Match Scoring
- Singles victory is worth (1) point.
- Ties are halved for 1/2 point each.
- Doubles victory is worth (2) points.
- Doubles Ties will be played off in sudden death format.
- If captains decide to allow ties, each team will receive (1) point.
- Forfeits will be scored (Pool minimum player #) - 0
- All players present on team that didn't forfeit get a qualification round counted.
- No players on team that forfeited will get a qualification round counted.
- Matches that end in a tie will go to sudden death doubles with each team picking 2 players
captains decide on hole to start
- (New 2017) In the event that lighting becomes an issue and sudden death must be halted, then the 5 best doubles scores from each team will be reviewed. The lowest score when all 5 cards are added wins the match. Use 6 if 5 doesn’t decide it, Use 7 if 6, etc.
- (New 2017) Match results should be posted by the HOME TEAM on the team challenge website within a week of the match in fairness to other teams and commissioners. Commissioners reserve the right to give a warning or if necessary impose a penalty (public shaming) for extremely late score postings.
- Results should be posted with full names (no nicknames) and in the proper format (i.e. Paul McBeth beats Eric Kevorkian 3&2, and Paul McBeth/Ricky Wysocki beat Pete Violet and Eric Kevorkian 48-64)

4.0 Season Scoring
• Commissioners will maintain a running scoring system on the team challenge website for each pool
• As the season progresses, commissioners will rank teams according to win/loss and points percentage

4.1 Tie Breakers
Season ending ties will be broken by:
1. Head to Head
- H2H can't break a multiway tie if teams haven't played each other OR they haven't beat the other team(s).
IE: Team A beat Team B, Team B beat Team C. This does NOT mean that Team A > Team C. This is when Pts % comes into play!
- If Team A beat Team C and Team B beat Team C, then C loses H2H with the other two teams and they are out.
- If there is a multiway tie for multiple spots, H2H is always the first way used to break the tie.
IE: Teams A, B and C are all tied for the last two spots. We must break the tie for the first spot with Pts %. Now there are two teams tied for the last spot and we need to break the tie. H2H is the first method, if they didn't play each other its Pts % again.
- H2H is ALWAYS the first tie breaker!!!
2. Points Percentage
- Points Scored/Points Available.
3. Playoff between tied teams.

5.0 Finals
5.1 Finals Date and Qualifying
Finals is held on the second Saturday of April (April 14th, 2017)
- Men must play 3 matches for the same team per season to qualify for Finals
- Women must play 1 match per season for the same team to qualify for Finals
- No Women may be called up from other teams to represent at Finals

[b]5.2 Finals Location and Format
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A Pool
- Location is picked by the reigning champion
Round 1: Matchups at 7:30AM, tee at 8:00AM.
- Team 3 v Team 6; Team 4 v 5; Teams 1 and 2 get byes.
Round 2: Matchups at 11:00AM, tee at 11:30AM.
- Team 1 v lowest remaining Team from round 1; Team 2 v highest remaining Team from round 1.
Round 3 / FINALS: Matchups at 2:30PM, tee at 3:00PM
- Time Cap(s) may be added once course is known and if deemed necessary by Captains
(# of players) -- Singles/Doubles breakdown
21 -- 11 singles/5 doubles
20 -- 10 singles/5 doubles
19 -- 9 singles/5 doubles
18 -- 8 singles/5 doubles
17 -- 9 singles/4 doubles
16 -- 8 singles/4 doubles
15 -- 7 singles/4 doubles
14 -- 6 singles/4 doubles

B/C/D Pool
- Finals locations will rotate by state each year with the goal/idea being to not host Finals in the same state two years in a row. Possible locations will be determined in January.
- For each Pool, and depending on which states are represented, they will rotate states each year
Example: in C-pool last year Massachusetts was the finals state, this year NY will be the finals state
- Within the chosen finals state, several courses which meet a minimum requirement of:
Must have ample parking
Must have bathroom facilities
Must be either free or arrange for a deep discount
- These chosen courses will be part of a random selection process to be performed by the pool commissioner and must be videotaped in the event captains want to view the process
Format is:
- 1v4,2v3
- Two winners play each other, Two losers play each other
- 2-0 team moves up a pool
- 1-1 teams play each other for the other promotion spot

Play-In Pool
- Top 4 teams from each division will qualify for finals.
- 1v4, 2v3 in each division.
- Two winners play for the promotion spot.
- Winner from PIP North and PIP South advance to D pool

5.3 Payouts
- A Pool finals payouts are: $1600/$1000/$600
- B Pool finals payouts are: $1000/$600
- C Pool finals payouts are: $1000/$600
- D Pool finals payouts are: $1000/$600
- PIP finals payouts are:
North $600/$300 - South $550/$250

5.4 Relegations/Promotions
A/B/C/D Pool
- Bottom two teams after the regular season is complete get relegated to the next lowest pool.
B/C/D Pool
- Top two teams after finals are complete get promoted to the next highest pool.
Play-In Pool
- Finals winner from each division moves up to the D Pool
- ADDITION OF E POOL – The 2 teams that drop from D pool and the 3 teams from both the North and South Finals that did not move to D pool will comprise the new E pool. All remaining teams that did not make PIP Finals will remain in the PIP.
Eric Kevorkian
Borderland Billy Goats
PIP Commissioner

Post Fri Sep 22, 2017 1:24 pm

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Any insight on the additional requirements for D pool roster? (referencing 3.1)

Post Fri Sep 22, 2017 2:14 pm

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Eric Desmarais wrote:
Any insight on the additional requirements for D pool roster? (referencing 3.1)


It was suggested by a captain in D pool, and the other captains voted it in. The commissioners won't know the reasoning behind it.
B Pool Comissioner
Team Webster Captain
Still Shirtless after all these years, but I converted to Scientology

Post Sat Sep 23, 2017 11:45 am

Posts: 209
A couple head-scratchers, but nothing work losing my shit over. My additional feedback, that I'm not sure made it through my commissioner's filter:

1. Need way more transperancy when Finals are selected than last year. We should get to see the State when it is chosen, and then the list of courses being considered, and then the back-up.
2. I'd suggest a section on Commissioners. Such as length of service, term-limits, elections, what happens if a commish's team moves into his pool?

thanks.

Oh one thing I assume is a miss:

- Team dues are due by October 1st or first match, whichever comes first.
- Rosters posted by October 1st or first match

Shouldn't there be a "whichever comes first" on that second point?
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Bill Bertera
Team Devens

Post Mon Sep 25, 2017 9:40 am

Posts: 211
redbill wrote:
A couple head-scratchers, but nothing work losing my shit over. My additional feedback, that I'm not sure made it through my commissioner's filter:

1. Need way more transperancy when Finals are selected than last year. We should get to see the State when it is chosen, and then the list of courses being considered, and then the back-up.
2. I'd suggest a section on Commissioners. Such as length of service, term-limits, elections, what happens if a commish's team moves into his pool?

thanks.

Oh one thing I assume is a miss:

- Team dues are due by October 1st or first match, whichever comes first.
- Rosters posted by October 1st or first match

Shouldn't there be a "whichever comes first" on that second point?



Hey Bill -

1) The Finals process won't start until January...everything will be transparent as you mentioned above.
2) That was discussed and agreed upon - just didn't think it was necessary to be put in the rules. Commissioner positions will all be voted upon in the off-season. I think we are all in agreement that it's a year to year thing, and already agreed upon that you cannot be a commissioner of the pool you are in.
Eric Kevorkian
Borderland Billy Goats
PIP Commissioner

Post Wed Sep 27, 2017 6:59 am

Posts: 232
What does 2vs1 mean exactly ? During dubs round ? Not Cali correct ?
TullyRock

Post Thu Sep 28, 2017 8:32 am

Posts: 463
There is no Cali rule in team challenge. If you are stuck short a player in dubs and have to play a 1 player against 2 players, you DO NOT get to play a Cali stroke per hole or any variant on the Cali theme.

If there was a Cali rule, it would have to have been spelled out as such in the rules. Cali has never been a part of the rules.
C Pool Commissioner

Team Tolland

Post Thu Sep 28, 2017 9:52 am

Posts: 209
Sorry, but that is incorrect. There is no situation you are forced to play 1:2 in doubles - other than mid-round injury. You would play 1:1, and if you're short the minimum, you'd get a 1 point penalty.

Captains can decide if numbers are mismatched to play 1:1 with extras sitting, 1:2 no cali, 1:2 w/ Cali, or 3:2 nekkid left-handed-chicken-wing-only. but you are never forced to play 1:2 in dubs (outside of mid-round injury).
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Bill Bertera
Team Devens

Post Thu Sep 28, 2017 11:19 am

Posts: 463
Not true - there are situations where 1 person plays 2 in doubles. If a team came short handed I.E. 13 players they would be forced to play their odd player against the team that is carrying 14+ players. They will incur a penalty point for not having enough players, but they will be forced to play that 1 person against two in the hopes of winning the 2 points for that doubles matchup. It has happened and will probably happen again. The team with 1 player may choose to put their best player up against 2 players and hope to pull it out.
Your assumption is incorrect that they would play 1:1, because if the team that carried the minimum number of players would have to play 2 in the dubs in order to not incur a penalty point for not meeting the minimum in the afternoon. The rules clearly state that you must play as many players in the afternoon as you did in the morning or incur a penalty.
C Pool Commissioner

Team Tolland

Post Thu Sep 28, 2017 11:38 am

Posts: 209
you don't get a penalty for not having the minimum/fewer-players if you bring them but can't play them because the other team doesn't have enough. Rule states fewer players "available". the player is available to play, but if he doesn't have an opponent there's obviously no penalty.

The captains could agree to play 1:2 for 2 points, and NOT take the penalty. There's no way a captain would agree to play 1:2 and give a penalty. The penalty is there because a point isn't available to be played. That would be a 2-point penalty for being 1 player short. Why would you give a team an opportunity to get 14 points, and also give yourself a 1-point penalty?

They COULD agree to play that way, but it would be dumb.

As the rules says, you CAN play 1:2, but it is not forced.
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Bill Bertera
Team Devens

Post Thu Sep 28, 2017 11:51 am

Posts: 463
Sorry but you are incorrect. I have been a commissioner for a while now and have been in TC for over 10 years.
What I stated above is correct.
You are trying to create scenarios, but they are not correct conclusions.

Example:
Team A has 13
Team B has 14

Team A takes a 1 stroke penalty for singles match play

Team A then takes another 1 stroke penalty for Dubs
Team A matches all of their 2 vs 2 dubs matches up through 12 players
They then match 1 player vs 2 in dubs in the hope of pulling that match out. They have no choice other than to concede 2 points and sit another player.

That is the rule.

You have misread my post above. Your scenario in the last post is not what I stated.

The rule states:
If you don't bring the minimum number of players to a challenge, you will be penalized the difference between the minimum and what you brought each round.
EX: Minimum is 14, you bring 10. You're giving your opponents 4 points each round.
- If an odd number, you can play 2 vs 1.

I wrote the rules this year. I know what it says.
C Pool Commissioner

Team Tolland

Post Thu Sep 28, 2017 12:03 pm

Posts: 209
you don't get 15 points when the other team brings 13 people. Penalties are given to get back to the minimum-required points, not above it.

if you try to pull that shit on a captain that knows what he's doing this year, make sure to Facebook Live it, it'd be fun to watch. Please repeat the "Do you know who I am?" bit on them.
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Bill Bertera
Team Devens

Post Thu Sep 28, 2017 1:53 pm

Posts: 463
redbill wrote:
you don't get 15 points when the other team brings 13 people. Penalties are given to get back to the minimum-required points, not above it.

if you try to pull that shit on a captain that knows what he's doing this year, make sure to Facebook Live it, it'd be fun to watch. Please repeat the "Do you know who I am?" bit on them.


That's right you don't get 15 points. I don't know where you got that notion.
Are you serious ?

C'mon, you just like being heard right ? This is silly.

Of course you don't get 15 when the other team brings 13. What rules are you reading anyway ?

The difference would be 1 point. Then another 1 point for the next round. Are you a captain ? If so, you should give the captaincy over to someone who has a clue.

I won't argue with you further, as you change the scenario each time, misquote rules and seem to have no sense of what we are talking about.
C Pool Commissioner

Team Tolland

Post Thu Sep 28, 2017 2:10 pm

Posts: 209
Your words: "They will incur a penalty point for not having enough players, but they will be forced to play that 1 person against two in the hopes of winning the 2 points for that doubles matchup."

13 players against 14.

14 points available in those matchups: "in the hopes of winning the 2 points for that doubles matchup"
+1 penalty point: "They will incur a penalty point for not having enough players"

= 15

thanks for the captain's advice, if I ever need help relegating my team 2 pools in 2 years, I'll give you a shout.
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Bill Bertera
Team Devens

Post Thu Sep 28, 2017 2:19 pm

Posts: 463
redbill wrote:
Your words: "They will incur a penalty point for not having enough players, but they will be forced to play that 1 person against two in the hopes of winning the 2 points for that doubles matchup."

13 players against 14.

14 points available in those matchups: "in the hopes of winning the 2 points for that doubles matchup"
+1 penalty point: "They will incur a penalty point for not having enough players"

= 15

thanks for the captain's advice, if I ever need help relegating my team 2 pools in 2 years, I'll give you a shout.


No. I explained it very clearly above. Where did you learn math ? You are mixing statements together to create as confusing a situation as possible. Are you dense ?

The rule states:
If you don't bring the minimum number of players to a challenge, you will be penalized the difference between the minimum and what you brought each round.
C Pool Commissioner

Team Tolland

Post Thu Sep 28, 2017 2:29 pm

Posts: 209
Glad you finally came around to see it my way.

6 dubs matches (12 points) + 1 singles match (1 point) + 1 penalty = 14.
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Bill Bertera
Team Devens

Post Thu Sep 28, 2017 3:45 pm

Posts: 334
One instance that this issue could come up, is if a team has a player that leaves or is unable to play the 2nd round after playing in the 1st round....and in doing so leaves that team with an odd number for doubles. You would then have the option of playing the single player against two and not spotting them a bonus point for not having the same number of points available in the 2nd round. Or playing a singles match for 1 point and spotting them the penalty point.

However, if it were my team...I'd probably negotiate with the other captain to play the player cali for 2 points, otherwise I'd spot the point and hope to win the singles match and make it a wash. I can't foresee an instance where I'd actually play 1 versus 2 straight up.
FlatRock
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